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		<title>By: Tom S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Luke,
Quoting Wendell Berry from his pivotal work on racism (The Hidden Wound) -

“…in the effort to live meaningfully and decently in America, a white man cannot learn all he needs to know from other white men.”

The key word in this quote is &quot;all&quot;. I am a white man who struggled beside many mentors (including a fair number of other white men) with defining my proper role in building awareness and bringing change.   I feel there are immensely powerful and vitally important lessons that we can likely learn ONLY from other white men.

The only players who can realistically be expected to change the rules of the game so all can play as equals are the ones who continue
to win. Paraphrasing familiar words – a great deal of the work must be expected of the white men, by the white men and for the white men.
The continuation of a system that gives a disproportionate share of the prosperity and political and social power to the white men in spite of evidence that the playing field is still tilted in our favor diminishes us all.
White men who accept our collective responsibilities must be willing to sometimes lead, sometimes follow and sometimes get out of the way.  Which position is right for a given situation is often very hard to determine.  However, to suggest that our collective past disqualifies us from ever leading is wrong.  Sometimes we must be willing to be at the very front.  Thank YOU for being there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke,<br />
Quoting Wendell Berry from his pivotal work on racism (The Hidden Wound) -</p>
<p>“…in the effort to live meaningfully and decently in America, a white man cannot learn all he needs to know from other white men.”</p>
<p>The key word in this quote is &#8220;all&#8221;. I am a white man who struggled beside many mentors (including a fair number of other white men) with defining my proper role in building awareness and bringing change.   I feel there are immensely powerful and vitally important lessons that we can likely learn ONLY from other white men.</p>
<p>The only players who can realistically be expected to change the rules of the game so all can play as equals are the ones who continue<br />
to win. Paraphrasing familiar words – a great deal of the work must be expected of the white men, by the white men and for the white men.<br />
The continuation of a system that gives a disproportionate share of the prosperity and political and social power to the white men in spite of evidence that the playing field is still tilted in our favor diminishes us all.<br />
White men who accept our collective responsibilities must be willing to sometimes lead, sometimes follow and sometimes get out of the way.  Which position is right for a given situation is often very hard to determine.  However, to suggest that our collective past disqualifies us from ever leading is wrong.  Sometimes we must be willing to be at the very front.  Thank YOU for being there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Luke, I have to disagree with your agreement on the sentiments of the commenters first paragraph! He/she directly relates education and sexuality to racism and all the while completely misses the mark on scope of diversity, the nexus of all of your work. Working within the context the writer creates, i.e. racism, isn&#039;t your profile exactly what is necessary to break through to the oppressors? They sure as heck aren&#039;t going to listen to an uneducated, homosexual, non-white. Obviously we don&#039;t know much about the writer, could be just like you only with a different agenda.
As a white, heterosexual, 50+ year old, educated male, my awareness and knowledge of diversity has been significanlty broadened by this site and your writings. Thanks for that and stay the course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, I have to disagree with your agreement on the sentiments of the commenters first paragraph! He/she directly relates education and sexuality to racism and all the while completely misses the mark on scope of diversity, the nexus of all of your work. Working within the context the writer creates, i.e. racism, isn&#8217;t your profile exactly what is necessary to break through to the oppressors? They sure as heck aren&#8217;t going to listen to an uneducated, homosexual, non-white. Obviously we don&#8217;t know much about the writer, could be just like you only with a different agenda.<br />
As a white, heterosexual, 50+ year old, educated male, my awareness and knowledge of diversity has been significanlty broadened by this site and your writings. Thanks for that and stay the course.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Visconti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Visconti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Great post, thank you for taking the time.&lt;/strong&gt; Luke Visconti, CEO of DiversityInc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Great post, thank you for taking the time.</strong> Luke Visconti, CEO of DiversityInc</p>
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		<title>By: Leann Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leann Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 01:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Luke, having worked with your organization and seeing the scope and growth of your commitment, I don&#039;t question your ability to speak as an SME for diversity.  I applaud your championship.  However, I do understand the undergird of some perspectives that we don&#039;t want to acknowledge as diversity professionals. In a counter-storytelling society, or majoritarianism historically based society (Yes, check it out), those of us who have lived the subtle oppressions know the difference.  As a white male, you have learned, and yes, I respect that you have learned, witnessed and understand well, and put hands, and feet to that commitment.  But you have had to learn and come to understand the subtleties that minorities get frustrated with.  As a Diversity professional, and an African American woman, I am almost required to discount the subtleties that exist, even in this &#039;profession of tolerance and embrace&#039;, that I have to add and delete too many verbal faux pi, and file them under the &#039;I didn&#039;t mean it like that syndrome&#039;.  As a Supplier Diversity professional, I am often confronted with contractors, caucasian males, with front organizations as women owned businessess, and I say, &#039;Dayyum, we are only trying to get 10% of an organizations contractual relationships spread across African American, Hispanic, GLBT, WBE, Native Americans owned businesses, and the majority still has to scam us out of that portion.&#039;  And will get contracts, via the old guard relationships!  I worked with a former MBE business whose contact can talk the Supplier Diversity talk with some of the biggest organizations in the country.  Yet when asked how many MWBE&#039;s he uses in his personal business, none, zip, zero.  No dentist, insurance man, cleaners, nothing.  I suspect, he has very little consideration of them other than a means for talking up a business contract - just a job.  I&#039;m not mad at that as we all are working for a check.  But if I go to a BMW dealer who extols the virtues of BMW, and then I ask him what he drives, and he tells me he only drives Mercedes Benz, well its not a requirement, but it resets a perspective of his/her personal integrity.  &#039;Oh, so you want me to drink the Kool-Aid, yet, you won&#039;t go near it&#039;. For those who live the story of why Dr. King and so many others spoke for economic equities, which are yet to be achieved in this country, these mockeries can challenge the reality of why there is still a question about the role of majority stakeholders, of their genuine embrace of diversity and what and why it goes deeper than numbers.  And for those who really carry the commitment, I have witnessed their frustration having their integrity questioned.  And I am compassionate to those, because they represent the many and not the few.  But I also have to admit to sometimes saying, now welcome to my world of constantly having to re-explain your credentials.  It is a sad fact of our society, and as much as we want to create a safe environment for discourse of tolerance or embrace or what ever your diversity approach language is, there is still broad disconnect between what is being sold and what is being embraced. Now I&#039;m not speaking for a race or gender, but sharing a perspective to consider.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, having worked with your organization and seeing the scope and growth of your commitment, I don&#8217;t question your ability to speak as an SME for diversity.  I applaud your championship.  However, I do understand the undergird of some perspectives that we don&#8217;t want to acknowledge as diversity professionals. In a counter-storytelling society, or majoritarianism historically based society (Yes, check it out), those of us who have lived the subtle oppressions know the difference.  As a white male, you have learned, and yes, I respect that you have learned, witnessed and understand well, and put hands, and feet to that commitment.  But you have had to learn and come to understand the subtleties that minorities get frustrated with.  As a Diversity professional, and an African American woman, I am almost required to discount the subtleties that exist, even in this &#8216;profession of tolerance and embrace&#8217;, that I have to add and delete too many verbal faux pi, and file them under the &#8216;I didn&#8217;t mean it like that syndrome&#8217;.  As a Supplier Diversity professional, I am often confronted with contractors, caucasian males, with front organizations as women owned businessess, and I say, &#8216;Dayyum, we are only trying to get 10% of an organizations contractual relationships spread across African American, Hispanic, GLBT, WBE, Native Americans owned businesses, and the majority still has to scam us out of that portion.&#8217;  And will get contracts, via the old guard relationships!  I worked with a former MBE business whose contact can talk the Supplier Diversity talk with some of the biggest organizations in the country.  Yet when asked how many MWBE&#8217;s he uses in his personal business, none, zip, zero.  No dentist, insurance man, cleaners, nothing.  I suspect, he has very little consideration of them other than a means for talking up a business contract &#8211; just a job.  I&#8217;m not mad at that as we all are working for a check.  But if I go to a BMW dealer who extols the virtues of BMW, and then I ask him what he drives, and he tells me he only drives Mercedes Benz, well its not a requirement, but it resets a perspective of his/her personal integrity.  &#8216;Oh, so you want me to drink the Kool-Aid, yet, you won&#8217;t go near it&#8217;. For those who live the story of why Dr. King and so many others spoke for economic equities, which are yet to be achieved in this country, these mockeries can challenge the reality of why there is still a question about the role of majority stakeholders, of their genuine embrace of diversity and what and why it goes deeper than numbers.  And for those who really carry the commitment, I have witnessed their frustration having their integrity questioned.  And I am compassionate to those, because they represent the many and not the few.  But I also have to admit to sometimes saying, now welcome to my world of constantly having to re-explain your credentials.  It is a sad fact of our society, and as much as we want to create a safe environment for discourse of tolerance or embrace or what ever your diversity approach language is, there is still broad disconnect between what is being sold and what is being embraced. Now I&#8217;m not speaking for a race or gender, but sharing a perspective to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell Thorpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell Thorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Therre is an absolute difference between caring about something and going through something.
That being said, thank you Luke for all your efforts. D&amp;I in America needs as many champions as possible. I don&#039;t know why anyone would chastize you for caring and helping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Therre is an absolute difference between caring about something and going through something.<br />
That being said, thank you Luke for all your efforts. D&amp;I in America needs as many champions as possible. I don&#8217;t know why anyone would chastize you for caring and helping.</p>
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		<title>By: Shriram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shriram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 23:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It hurts my heart every time I tell people who are oppressed that only the oppressed can lead the oppressor out of their behavior.  ----- Excellent lines, tragic but true, needs a lot of contemplation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It hurts my heart every time I tell people who are oppressed that only the oppressed can lead the oppressor out of their behavior.  &#8212;&#8211; Excellent lines, tragic but true, needs a lot of contemplation.</p>
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		<title>By: RoseAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoseAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 22:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I applaud your great work on diversity and hope that the organizations you have helped to see the value of this great need in our society continue on the the right path and treat  everyone fairly. There are going to be skeptics no matter what, but don&#039;t let that slow you dowm on your noble cause. Thank you for being a champion for understanding diversity, especially in the workplace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud your great work on diversity and hope that the organizations you have helped to see the value of this great need in our society continue on the the right path and treat  everyone fairly. There are going to be skeptics no matter what, but don&#8217;t let that slow you dowm on your noble cause. Thank you for being a champion for understanding diversity, especially in the workplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 20:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given your experience in the Diversity domain, my following comments might not be new or valuable, but I just wanted to vent after reading the comment which served as the platform for your blog.

Your reader made some assumptions/arguments that I don’t think hold up, and in some ways are offensive.

This “it may come from the head and not from the heart” argument may “feel” right to someone “from the inside”, but doesn’t hold up in my opinion from a logical standpoint.

You can’t care and be fully invested in something you haven’t fully experienced from a personal level?

That is somewhat (albeit not completely) like saying:

Oncologists can’t be passionate about curing cancer because they haven’t had it.
People with professions where they care for animals or protect the environment can’t be passionate about their work because they’ve never been animals or plants.

By that logic diversity efforts by Black people are doomed to fail when it comes to helping Hispanics, Gays can’t help Transgendered people and so on.

It flies in the face of much of what I’ve understood about diversity efforts.  It suggests that people of one group can’t put their heart into helping people of another- and that is entirely counter to the concept that we are all stronger by appreciating and leveraging what everyone brings to the table. Someone that an issue or topic hasn’t touched personally may be able to provide a perspective that someone “too close” to a problem or topic can’t see or identify- whether that be on the topics of cancer, animal rights, environmental issues, race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. That is a value of diversity that your commenter seemed unwilling to profit from or acknowledge.

My comments don’t ignore or excuse discrimination based on various prejudices, but having heard this argument so many times, I get frustrated by the lack of insight it demonstrates, and feel that often it does more harm than good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given your experience in the Diversity domain, my following comments might not be new or valuable, but I just wanted to vent after reading the comment which served as the platform for your blog.</p>
<p>Your reader made some assumptions/arguments that I don’t think hold up, and in some ways are offensive.</p>
<p>This “it may come from the head and not from the heart” argument may “feel” right to someone “from the inside”, but doesn’t hold up in my opinion from a logical standpoint.</p>
<p>You can’t care and be fully invested in something you haven’t fully experienced from a personal level?</p>
<p>That is somewhat (albeit not completely) like saying:</p>
<p>Oncologists can’t be passionate about curing cancer because they haven’t had it.<br />
People with professions where they care for animals or protect the environment can’t be passionate about their work because they’ve never been animals or plants.</p>
<p>By that logic diversity efforts by Black people are doomed to fail when it comes to helping Hispanics, Gays can’t help Transgendered people and so on.</p>
<p>It flies in the face of much of what I’ve understood about diversity efforts.  It suggests that people of one group can’t put their heart into helping people of another- and that is entirely counter to the concept that we are all stronger by appreciating and leveraging what everyone brings to the table. Someone that an issue or topic hasn’t touched personally may be able to provide a perspective that someone “too close” to a problem or topic can’t see or identify- whether that be on the topics of cancer, animal rights, environmental issues, race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. That is a value of diversity that your commenter seemed unwilling to profit from or acknowledge.</p>
<p>My comments don’t ignore or excuse discrimination based on various prejudices, but having heard this argument so many times, I get frustrated by the lack of insight it demonstrates, and feel that often it does more harm than good.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CORRECTED VERSION... As a straight, white, American-born, educated, male, I completely understand the “mindset” behind the reader’s question. AND Luke, I applaud your response and your commitment to the work and the community wholeheartedly. I have had this question directed at me numerous times during my work as a D&amp;I consultant and trainer. Usually it comes in the form of “What are YOU doing up there?” or “What can you possibly teach us (people of color, women, the disabled, etc.) about diversity since you have no experience of what we’re going through?” These are entirely reasonable questions and answering from the heart is paramount. I do my utmost to speak from a fundamental place of respect and fairness for every human being, no matter how different we may be from each other. Respecting and honoring differences and treating each other fairly is to me the very foundation supporting the concepts of diversity and inclusion. Those practices transcend race, gender, religion, age…you name it. Walking that talk – especially when faced with outright hostility – is not always easy, but as Gandhi said: “An ounce of practice is worth more than tons of preaching.” Luke, you’ve had lots of practice and we are all much the better for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTED VERSION&#8230; As a straight, white, American-born, educated, male, I completely understand the “mindset” behind the reader’s question. AND Luke, I applaud your response and your commitment to the work and the community wholeheartedly. I have had this question directed at me numerous times during my work as a D&amp;I consultant and trainer. Usually it comes in the form of “What are YOU doing up there?” or “What can you possibly teach us (people of color, women, the disabled, etc.) about diversity since you have no experience of what we’re going through?” These are entirely reasonable questions and answering from the heart is paramount. I do my utmost to speak from a fundamental place of respect and fairness for every human being, no matter how different we may be from each other. Respecting and honoring differences and treating each other fairly is to me the very foundation supporting the concepts of diversity and inclusion. Those practices transcend race, gender, religion, age…you name it. Walking that talk – especially when faced with outright hostility – is not always easy, but as Gandhi said: “An ounce of practice is worth more than tons of preaching.” Luke, you’ve had lots of practice and we are all much the better for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin E Rutledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin E Rutledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This one thing I do know about Luke, he believes in what he is doing and he has a heart for it. Which ultimately means, he tries to help people regardless of ethnicity or sexual choices? I disagree with him on certain issues, as do other people disagree with me. But, I will never disagree with God&#039;s word, nor try to interpret it wrongly to make others feel secure. Nonetheless, Luke&#039;s heart is in his Diversity Work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one thing I do know about Luke, he believes in what he is doing and he has a heart for it. Which ultimately means, he tries to help people regardless of ethnicity or sexual choices? I disagree with him on certain issues, as do other people disagree with me. But, I will never disagree with God&#8217;s word, nor try to interpret it wrongly to make others feel secure. Nonetheless, Luke&#8217;s heart is in his Diversity Work.</p>
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