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		<title>By: Fran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent OhioMama!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent OhioMama!!</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Visconti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Visconti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Pulitzer Prize-winning author Daniel Golden wrote a great book about this, &lt;em&gt;The Price of Admission: How America&#039;s Ruling Class Buys Its Way Into Elite Colleges—and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates&lt;/em&gt;, which I&#039;ve read and recommend. You will never beat an Ivy League school in a lawsuit; the main reason is that they have too much money to spend on lawyers and too many high-profile graduates. They protect their own. Think about it: The Ivys have trillions tied up in endowments and pay no taxes on their investment income. The fact is that all private colleges and universities (and all not-for-profits, for that matter) are supported by the taxpayer because we have to make up the difference in taxes to support the services they consume. It is beyond my understanding why everyone doesn&#039;t pay taxes on income. I also think it should be illegal for any school to consider standardized tests, which have been proven to be biased against poor people. There are studies that have measured SAT scores as correlating to one thing only—family household income. It is preparation that determines SAT scores, not intelligence. (And before I get the same cranky people commenting that their parents forced them to study by candlelight, PLEASE don&#039;t tell me about your exception that proves the rule.)&lt;/strong&gt; Luke Visconti, CEO, DiversityInc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Pulitzer Prize-winning author Daniel Golden wrote a great book about this, <em>The Price of Admission: How America&#8217;s Ruling Class Buys Its Way Into Elite Colleges—and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates</em>, which I&#8217;ve read and recommend. You will never beat an Ivy League school in a lawsuit; the main reason is that they have too much money to spend on lawyers and too many high-profile graduates. They protect their own. Think about it: The Ivys have trillions tied up in endowments and pay no taxes on their investment income. The fact is that all private colleges and universities (and all not-for-profits, for that matter) are supported by the taxpayer because we have to make up the difference in taxes to support the services they consume. It is beyond my understanding why everyone doesn&#8217;t pay taxes on income. I also think it should be illegal for any school to consider standardized tests, which have been proven to be biased against poor people. There are studies that have measured SAT scores as correlating to one thing only—family household income. It is preparation that determines SAT scores, not intelligence. (And before I get the same cranky people commenting that their parents forced them to study by candlelight, PLEASE don&#8217;t tell me about your exception that proves the rule.)</strong> Luke Visconti, CEO, DiversityInc</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Luke, there is one area of affirmative action that I really would like to see ended and that is legacy admissions to colleges.  It is not fair and it is discriminatory for the child of a graduate to get into that same college ahead of better qualified applicants.  Since blacks were not allowed to enter most colleges in the U.S. for centuries, legacy admissions are affirmative action for whites as they perpetuate historical bias.  My question, why aren&#039;t the foes of affirmative action, who file suits about college admissions using race as a factor, why aren&#039;t they filing suit against legacy admissions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, there is one area of affirmative action that I really would like to see ended and that is legacy admissions to colleges.  It is not fair and it is discriminatory for the child of a graduate to get into that same college ahead of better qualified applicants.  Since blacks were not allowed to enter most colleges in the U.S. for centuries, legacy admissions are affirmative action for whites as they perpetuate historical bias.  My question, why aren&#8217;t the foes of affirmative action, who file suits about college admissions using race as a factor, why aren&#8217;t they filing suit against legacy admissions?</p>
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		<title>By: OhioMama</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhioMama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just want to point out that in America, non-Black immigrants have the benefit of skin color on their side. I&#039;m not making any excuses for the actions of some of my ignorant brothers and sisters out there; for I believe that no matter what your circumstance is, you should know better once you reach a certain age.

However, I can say from experience that even when you do the right things, you tend to have to work harder just to prove you are worthy. Now that may be a misconception on my part. But it seems to me that I&#039;m always fighting for equal pay and treatment among my colleagues, even when I have more education, experience, and expertise than my white male and female counterparts.

I can’t blame that all on the companies. However, I think Black candidates tend to shy away from negotiating higher salaries for fear of loosing the opportunity. It’s something we learn from our parents. We sell ourselves short because we were taught from an early age that America is not fair and we can expect to be paid less.

Back to this affirmative action deal. I think it was necessary when created, but does little to help today. Companies will find a way around it. My last company filled their quota by hiring Blacks into a lot of lower paying positions (ie. call center, admin). At one point, I was the only Black developer on a project that had about 500 people on it. At the higher levels (ie. IT, Finance, etc), they filled their quotas with Indian employees.

So if companies and schools can develop a way to make things better, I’m all for it. But keep in mind that people will be people. Everyone has their biases that they carry with them everywhere, even to work. However, I think that with each generation comes new clarity and sensitivity. And the internet has given us the ability to hold companies with unfair practices accountable. Just ask the leaders of any company that’s had a boycott that originated online. They will tell that fairness matters and the public will be the judges of what’s acceptable and what’s not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to point out that in America, non-Black immigrants have the benefit of skin color on their side. I&#8217;m not making any excuses for the actions of some of my ignorant brothers and sisters out there; for I believe that no matter what your circumstance is, you should know better once you reach a certain age.</p>
<p>However, I can say from experience that even when you do the right things, you tend to have to work harder just to prove you are worthy. Now that may be a misconception on my part. But it seems to me that I&#8217;m always fighting for equal pay and treatment among my colleagues, even when I have more education, experience, and expertise than my white male and female counterparts.</p>
<p>I can’t blame that all on the companies. However, I think Black candidates tend to shy away from negotiating higher salaries for fear of loosing the opportunity. It’s something we learn from our parents. We sell ourselves short because we were taught from an early age that America is not fair and we can expect to be paid less.</p>
<p>Back to this affirmative action deal. I think it was necessary when created, but does little to help today. Companies will find a way around it. My last company filled their quota by hiring Blacks into a lot of lower paying positions (ie. call center, admin). At one point, I was the only Black developer on a project that had about 500 people on it. At the higher levels (ie. IT, Finance, etc), they filled their quotas with Indian employees.</p>
<p>So if companies and schools can develop a way to make things better, I’m all for it. But keep in mind that people will be people. Everyone has their biases that they carry with them everywhere, even to work. However, I think that with each generation comes new clarity and sensitivity. And the internet has given us the ability to hold companies with unfair practices accountable. Just ask the leaders of any company that’s had a boycott that originated online. They will tell that fairness matters and the public will be the judges of what’s acceptable and what’s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary, it is one thing you do not understand. Even if your former generations came here dirt poor, they are still white Europeans. In this country, the only immigrants that most are talking about are not from Italy or any European country. They come from countries where the people are a little browner. 
I think I know more Black people than you, since I am Black. None of them are on welfare!! Eating is not a privilege!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, it is one thing you do not understand. Even if your former generations came here dirt poor, they are still white Europeans. In this country, the only immigrants that most are talking about are not from Italy or any European country. They come from countries where the people are a little browner.<br />
I think I know more Black people than you, since I am Black. None of them are on welfare!! Eating is not a privilege!!</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Visconti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Visconti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;On this, you and I completely agree, although I would say you&#039;re a little nostalgic for something that really hasn&#039;t changed much. Today is no different than 100 years ago: Successful immigrants learn English quickly—second generation is English dominant, third generation is almost nothing but English. However, not all can learn other languages easily. (I sure can&#039;t—I&#039;d have a hard time if I had to move to Mexico and try to start from scratch to make a living.) I&#039;ve seen research that shows that teaching English first in school is far more important than teaching academics in the native language. What we needed in this presidential campaign was for one of the two candidates to channel John F. Kennedy: &quot;Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.&quot; Instead, we got one guy telling us what he was going to do for rich people and another guy telling us why the first guy was wrong. No vision, no clarity, no LEADERSHIP. Just great.&lt;/strong&gt; Luke Visconti, CEO, DiversityInc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On this, you and I completely agree, although I would say you&#8217;re a little nostalgic for something that really hasn&#8217;t changed much. Today is no different than 100 years ago: Successful immigrants learn English quickly—second generation is English dominant, third generation is almost nothing but English. However, not all can learn other languages easily. (I sure can&#8217;t—I&#8217;d have a hard time if I had to move to Mexico and try to start from scratch to make a living.) I&#8217;ve seen research that shows that teaching English first in school is far more important than teaching academics in the native language. What we needed in this presidential campaign was for one of the two candidates to channel John F. Kennedy: &#8220;Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.&#8221; Instead, we got one guy telling us what he was going to do for rich people and another guy telling us why the first guy was wrong. No vision, no clarity, no LEADERSHIP. Just great.</strong> Luke Visconti, CEO, DiversityInc</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Balboni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Balboni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am second generation legal immigrant from Italy - my family came to this country dirt poor, and we have experienced no affirmative actions. Hard work, education, speaking the language, not asking for handouts, not demanding anything in return because this great country gave opportunities if you work for them. That is how our family survived and have made reasonable livings. Now in this generation we have some members having children with Black partners, whose children are on welfare. First time in our family history in America, and my Father, if he were alive, would be so ashamed. However, we now have members in our family that spend their time finding out what more they can get for free because they think they deserve it. I am ashamed. We came to America to work and thrive. We did not teach this to our family. It will benefit everyone if we all went back to virtues of working hard and getting education and speaking this country&#039;s language. And not taking and expecting privileges.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am second generation legal immigrant from Italy &#8211; my family came to this country dirt poor, and we have experienced no affirmative actions. Hard work, education, speaking the language, not asking for handouts, not demanding anything in return because this great country gave opportunities if you work for them. That is how our family survived and have made reasonable livings. Now in this generation we have some members having children with Black partners, whose children are on welfare. First time in our family history in America, and my Father, if he were alive, would be so ashamed. However, we now have members in our family that spend their time finding out what more they can get for free because they think they deserve it. I am ashamed. We came to America to work and thrive. We did not teach this to our family. It will benefit everyone if we all went back to virtues of working hard and getting education and speaking this country&#8217;s language. And not taking and expecting privileges.</p>
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