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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From my experience, as an immigrant working for a fortune company that preaches diversity and inclusiveness within high performance teams. I have seen white employees with no relative education and experience have been awarded with the job positions they have no clue about. It is hard to prove the discrimination; they can always say that the job was rewarded to better qualified person. 
With over 15 years of experience, a master&#039;s degree in engineering and multi-language skills, It is already difficult to get an interview with the name that is foreign.
 I did speak out spoke with the diversity counsel and with HR; it was just swept under the rug by moving me to a different position without any incentives.  
Communication is a must have skill and not having English as mother tongue can be disadvantage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my experience, as an immigrant working for a fortune company that preaches diversity and inclusiveness within high performance teams. I have seen white employees with no relative education and experience have been awarded with the job positions they have no clue about. It is hard to prove the discrimination; they can always say that the job was rewarded to better qualified person.<br />
With over 15 years of experience, a master&#8217;s degree in engineering and multi-language skills, It is already difficult to get an interview with the name that is foreign.<br />
 I did speak out spoke with the diversity counsel and with HR; it was just swept under the rug by moving me to a different position without any incentives.<br />
Communication is a must have skill and not having English as mother tongue can be disadvantage.</p>
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		<title>By: grannybunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>grannybunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sincerely appreciate your thoughtful comments, especially those about those from higher socioeconomic groups employing more aggressive strategies.  A study just came out finding that top students from low socioeconomic groups tend to not apply to top colleges -- even where financial aid would make that possible -- but tend to cluster in state schools and community colleges, where they are less likely to succeed and complete their courses of study.  My very-smart -- but very poor -- younger grandson is graduating from High School this year and just told us that he plans to attend community college, where the first year is free.  Intellectually, he could succeed at Harvard and has the community service experience, verbal abilities, etc., to do so.  Don&#039;t get me wrong; you can get a good education anywhere and can succeed no matter what your background, but I am -- nevertheless -- saddened at the limits it appears he sees on his possibilities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely appreciate your thoughtful comments, especially those about those from higher socioeconomic groups employing more aggressive strategies.  A study just came out finding that top students from low socioeconomic groups tend to not apply to top colleges &#8212; even where financial aid would make that possible &#8212; but tend to cluster in state schools and community colleges, where they are less likely to succeed and complete their courses of study.  My very-smart &#8212; but very poor &#8212; younger grandson is graduating from High School this year and just told us that he plans to attend community college, where the first year is free.  Intellectually, he could succeed at Harvard and has the community service experience, verbal abilities, etc., to do so.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong; you can get a good education anywhere and can succeed no matter what your background, but I am &#8212; nevertheless &#8212; saddened at the limits it appears he sees on his possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Wyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Patty. I like how you address the varying levels of discrimination from a personal perspective. Your background is very similar to mine. But also, what I&#039;ve encountered is regional discrimination. When I tell people I&#039;m from Arkansas, the insults and tasteless jokes pour out immediately as if I&#039;m non existent. We&#039;ve got a long way to go, but I, too, have boundless respect for companies that value diversity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Patty. I like how you address the varying levels of discrimination from a personal perspective. Your background is very similar to mine. But also, what I&#8217;ve encountered is regional discrimination. When I tell people I&#8217;m from Arkansas, the insults and tasteless jokes pour out immediately as if I&#8217;m non existent. We&#8217;ve got a long way to go, but I, too, have boundless respect for companies that value diversity.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ruben S. Cedeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Ruben S. Cedeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the informative article and discussion. After reflecting on the issue of white privilege related to qualifications and promotions. It has been my experience as a Latino in Corporate America, and a former member of the Executive Council of a multi-national corporation (Washington DC area).
When I was promoted to an executive position, I did learn, this promotion came with two requirements: one, this promotion became part of my performance evaluation and second; I was to take a business writing course. I assumed this was part of entering this position in the organization. I came to find out; others in executive positions were not required to adhere to these stipulations.
At the time, I held two masters degrees and a Ph. D. in research; I was the most qualified amongst my colleagues (all white with one African American). Nevertheless, I decided to stay on as I leveraged my position to mentor junior staff on ways to maneuver through the company and succeed. I since left the company after fifteen years of service. To date, I have continued to use this experience to help myself and others not only to understand the injustices of society, because we must leverage what we know to make things right. Keep in mind, by the nature of who we are, we are measured by a different scale and must use this knowledge to leverage change from inside.  Don&#039;t worry about being caled a &quot;trouble maker&quot; use the data to argue your point/question.

Muchas gracias]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the informative article and discussion. After reflecting on the issue of white privilege related to qualifications and promotions. It has been my experience as a Latino in Corporate America, and a former member of the Executive Council of a multi-national corporation (Washington DC area).<br />
When I was promoted to an executive position, I did learn, this promotion came with two requirements: one, this promotion became part of my performance evaluation and second; I was to take a business writing course. I assumed this was part of entering this position in the organization. I came to find out; others in executive positions were not required to adhere to these stipulations.<br />
At the time, I held two masters degrees and a Ph. D. in research; I was the most qualified amongst my colleagues (all white with one African American). Nevertheless, I decided to stay on as I leveraged my position to mentor junior staff on ways to maneuver through the company and succeed. I since left the company after fifteen years of service. To date, I have continued to use this experience to help myself and others not only to understand the injustices of society, because we must leverage what we know to make things right. Keep in mind, by the nature of who we are, we are measured by a different scale and must use this knowledge to leverage change from inside.  Don&#8217;t worry about being caled a &#8220;trouble maker&#8221; use the data to argue your point/question.</p>
<p>Muchas gracias</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point. Recently, I attended a dinner party with former colleagues (temporary project group). We were a gender and age diverse group. One of the younger men, in his twenties, openly stated how strange it was that at one point the project only included the &#039;good old boys club&#039;. Then, suddenly there was a new wave of hires under a woman in management and there were women and minorities in the project group. He said it was a positive change. However, the older men at the table had a mixed reaction. The older they were the more pronounced the reaction. I agree that there are times when the established group may not realize their lack of diversity. However, others do realize it and choose not to correct it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. Recently, I attended a dinner party with former colleagues (temporary project group). We were a gender and age diverse group. One of the younger men, in his twenties, openly stated how strange it was that at one point the project only included the &#8216;good old boys club&#8217;. Then, suddenly there was a new wave of hires under a woman in management and there were women and minorities in the project group. He said it was a positive change. However, the older men at the table had a mixed reaction. The older they were the more pronounced the reaction. I agree that there are times when the established group may not realize their lack of diversity. However, others do realize it and choose not to correct it.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, during college from the 2000&#039;s to current, students are told to expect at least five employers during their lifetime. No more stable long term employment. Everything will become project based with short term teams. Further, to gain better compensation and benefits an employee often must move to another company. However, employers a) do not want to increase compensation for their current employees and b) question applicants who job hop. While career candidates want to work for a good employer who provides wonderful products or services, the bottom line is employees (Millenials in particular) see that there is no long term employment or retirement packages. We have witnessed our parents and colleagues who reach a certain age lose their jobs and have greater difficulty in gaining new employment. Some within ten years of traditional retirement age just do not gain employment and give up. We (Millenials) have to work smart while we are young to make as much as possible within a shorter window of time. Due to this mindset, we are committed to completing short term projects within a team and open to starting new projects perhaps with the same team or a new team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, during college from the 2000&#8242;s to current, students are told to expect at least five employers during their lifetime. No more stable long term employment. Everything will become project based with short term teams. Further, to gain better compensation and benefits an employee often must move to another company. However, employers a) do not want to increase compensation for their current employees and b) question applicants who job hop. While career candidates want to work for a good employer who provides wonderful products or services, the bottom line is employees (Millenials in particular) see that there is no long term employment or retirement packages. We have witnessed our parents and colleagues who reach a certain age lose their jobs and have greater difficulty in gaining new employment. Some within ten years of traditional retirement age just do not gain employment and give up. We (Millenials) have to work smart while we are young to make as much as possible within a shorter window of time. Due to this mindset, we are committed to completing short term projects within a team and open to starting new projects perhaps with the same team or a new team.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, hostile work environments really demoralize employees. I certainly gained appreciation for the good employers and work environments. One thing I have difficulty with is during interviews for new employers. They ask the dreaded, &#039;Why did you leave your prior employer?&#039;. The answer I would like to say is they did not value diversity and by the way what is your company&#039;s policy? Can you show me by numbers how that has been implemented in your company? However, thanks to the diversity newsletters I receive this information. Going forward I will only apply to the companies who make the diversity list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, hostile work environments really demoralize employees. I certainly gained appreciation for the good employers and work environments. One thing I have difficulty with is during interviews for new employers. They ask the dreaded, &#8216;Why did you leave your prior employer?&#8217;. The answer I would like to say is they did not value diversity and by the way what is your company&#8217;s policy? Can you show me by numbers how that has been implemented in your company? However, thanks to the diversity newsletters I receive this information. Going forward I will only apply to the companies who make the diversity list.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My perspective comes from enduring a childhood of poverty as a white female. My parents did not have a college education. My dad did not even have a high school diploma. They were both excluded from employment due to their education level. I worked very hard as a returning adult student without scholarships to complete college. I choose to work at a company that offered tuition reimbursement. Then, the economy turned down and the reimbursement was no longer available. However, I continued with school. The employment (F/T working adult) I have gained has been due to my persistence. I do not wait for employers or recruiters to call me. I call them. I have not earned a job through networking. It has been through my diligence.

However, I have seen preference given to colleagues that were raised in a better socioeconomic background regardless of race. After some observation, I found that it was due to their more aggressive strategy. They were more willing to negotiate better compensation packages, simple perks like items that the company must have on the desk waiting for them, and additional benefits. Meanwhile, I realized my compensation and benefits were lower. Why? Several reasons; I am new to the professional level, I do not have role models, i.e. parents that are knowledgeable and can provide advice or show by example how to negotiate and ask for what I want, I came in with a behavior pattern that I am grateful to have employment at this level, and I am self-taught where children/young adults at the next level up are taught by others.

However, there are individuals who discriminate (overheard in cubicles) and based on personal experience. For example, one time my husband (foreign born Latino with a slight accent) called a company to ask about a job position, they told him the position was no longer available. Curious, as the ad was just placed in the paper that day, I called the company to ask about the position, they told me it was available and asked when I could come in to complete an application. Another example, but in reverse happened to me when I applied for a bilingual position. They liked my resume and application that had gone to the HR department. They liked my telephone etiquette (in Spanish) and asked me to come in for a meet and greet. My Spanish sounds like a native speaker as I learned it from my mother in law. When I arrived for the meeting, I could see the shock and disappointment on the interviewer&#039;s face (Latina) when I introduced myself. I did not receive a call back. So, I called them. The receptionist stated that the position was filled; however, the position remained open on a job board. I was a bit disappointed; however, a better bilingual opportunity became available and I moved on. A third example really bothered me. It involved an African-American woman colleague and a white male colleague. She had a Master&#039;s degree with twenty years experience in the field. He had a Bachelor&#039;s degree with ten years experience in the field. The managers (most of whom were white males) would go to him to ask about the financial reports. Only one manager (white female) would go to her to ask about the financial reports. At first I thought it was a racial issue; however, it could have been a double discrimination of race and gender. In this case, she had the job, but I could see there would be a challenge for promotions. She has since moved on and opened her own (successful) business. He still works there.

There is a more complex dynamic at work. Race is only one factor of many. There are socioeconomic background and gender issues as well. Finally, companies and organizations that have a diversity committee along with holding diversity as a core value versus those who do not tend to have fewer issues. When I worked at a local college, diversity was highly valued and colleagues sat down together for meals regardless of race, gender, position title, and education level. What a shock to me, when I choose a private sector employer who did not highlight diversity. While they employed a diverse employee group, there was quite a separation in the lunchroom. Table seating was silently separated by race, gender, education level, and position title. I was the only one who &#039;table hopped&#039; and was given the cold shoulder treatment in the office. I did not stay there very long. Although the monetary compensation and benefits were well above my prior employment, my integrity and value for diversity led me to choose new employment. Some employers do not realize that compensation and benefits alone will not retain an employee. It has to come with a positive and diverse environment as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My perspective comes from enduring a childhood of poverty as a white female. My parents did not have a college education. My dad did not even have a high school diploma. They were both excluded from employment due to their education level. I worked very hard as a returning adult student without scholarships to complete college. I choose to work at a company that offered tuition reimbursement. Then, the economy turned down and the reimbursement was no longer available. However, I continued with school. The employment (F/T working adult) I have gained has been due to my persistence. I do not wait for employers or recruiters to call me. I call them. I have not earned a job through networking. It has been through my diligence.</p>
<p>However, I have seen preference given to colleagues that were raised in a better socioeconomic background regardless of race. After some observation, I found that it was due to their more aggressive strategy. They were more willing to negotiate better compensation packages, simple perks like items that the company must have on the desk waiting for them, and additional benefits. Meanwhile, I realized my compensation and benefits were lower. Why? Several reasons; I am new to the professional level, I do not have role models, i.e. parents that are knowledgeable and can provide advice or show by example how to negotiate and ask for what I want, I came in with a behavior pattern that I am grateful to have employment at this level, and I am self-taught where children/young adults at the next level up are taught by others.</p>
<p>However, there are individuals who discriminate (overheard in cubicles) and based on personal experience. For example, one time my husband (foreign born Latino with a slight accent) called a company to ask about a job position, they told him the position was no longer available. Curious, as the ad was just placed in the paper that day, I called the company to ask about the position, they told me it was available and asked when I could come in to complete an application. Another example, but in reverse happened to me when I applied for a bilingual position. They liked my resume and application that had gone to the HR department. They liked my telephone etiquette (in Spanish) and asked me to come in for a meet and greet. My Spanish sounds like a native speaker as I learned it from my mother in law. When I arrived for the meeting, I could see the shock and disappointment on the interviewer&#8217;s face (Latina) when I introduced myself. I did not receive a call back. So, I called them. The receptionist stated that the position was filled; however, the position remained open on a job board. I was a bit disappointed; however, a better bilingual opportunity became available and I moved on. A third example really bothered me. It involved an African-American woman colleague and a white male colleague. She had a Master&#8217;s degree with twenty years experience in the field. He had a Bachelor&#8217;s degree with ten years experience in the field. The managers (most of whom were white males) would go to him to ask about the financial reports. Only one manager (white female) would go to her to ask about the financial reports. At first I thought it was a racial issue; however, it could have been a double discrimination of race and gender. In this case, she had the job, but I could see there would be a challenge for promotions. She has since moved on and opened her own (successful) business. He still works there.</p>
<p>There is a more complex dynamic at work. Race is only one factor of many. There are socioeconomic background and gender issues as well. Finally, companies and organizations that have a diversity committee along with holding diversity as a core value versus those who do not tend to have fewer issues. When I worked at a local college, diversity was highly valued and colleagues sat down together for meals regardless of race, gender, position title, and education level. What a shock to me, when I choose a private sector employer who did not highlight diversity. While they employed a diverse employee group, there was quite a separation in the lunchroom. Table seating was silently separated by race, gender, education level, and position title. I was the only one who &#8216;table hopped&#8217; and was given the cold shoulder treatment in the office. I did not stay there very long. Although the monetary compensation and benefits were well above my prior employment, my integrity and value for diversity led me to choose new employment. Some employers do not realize that compensation and benefits alone will not retain an employee. It has to come with a positive and diverse environment as well.</p>
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		<title>By: L R</title>
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		<dc:creator>L R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[White privilege is the &#039;default&#039; position in our USA society.  It apparently is working well for those who incur no social, economic, or mental contradictions in embracing it -- they prosper. That is why white privilege continues mostly unchecked in the institutions through which it flourishes. . . (read as ALL).  My dismay -- turned to saddness-- after several decades of carrying the burden of minority status is seeing the alacrity with which &#039;minority&#039; high-potential individuals embrace or collude in supporting racist paradigms in order to advance their career outcomes, as opposed to infusing collective enegry in combating institutional racism in all facets of American society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White privilege is the &#8216;default&#8217; position in our USA society.  It apparently is working well for those who incur no social, economic, or mental contradictions in embracing it &#8212; they prosper. That is why white privilege continues mostly unchecked in the institutions through which it flourishes. . . (read as ALL).  My dismay &#8212; turned to saddness&#8211; after several decades of carrying the burden of minority status is seeing the alacrity with which &#8216;minority&#8217; high-potential individuals embrace or collude in supporting racist paradigms in order to advance their career outcomes, as opposed to infusing collective enegry in combating institutional racism in all facets of American society.</p>
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		<title>By: L R</title>
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		<dc:creator>L R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are on target in your awareness of the incursion of white privilege in the lives of latinos and people of color.  My wish for you is that you strengthen your resolve to surmount the impediments you will be forced to confront as you carve out a place for yourself in this racist society.  This is not accomplished by colluding or collaborating with the status quo or abandoning your latino heritage -- a personally toxic life decision chosen by many supposedly  &#039;successful&#039; Blacks and Latinos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are on target in your awareness of the incursion of white privilege in the lives of latinos and people of color.  My wish for you is that you strengthen your resolve to surmount the impediments you will be forced to confront as you carve out a place for yourself in this racist society.  This is not accomplished by colluding or collaborating with the status quo or abandoning your latino heritage &#8212; a personally toxic life decision chosen by many supposedly  &#8216;successful&#8217; Blacks and Latinos.</p>
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